And remember, “Imagination is nothing more than memory transposed.”
I’ve been wanting for the appropriate moment to quote that for a looooong time.
It’s always the appropriate moment to quote that, honestly
I guess the first thing that came to mind for me when Eaves said that we should use memory recall is that we should think on the kinds of memories that brought (at least some of us) here. The '94 Mounties started out as a group of people who all remembered “The Lost Collection” even though it didn’t exist in The Book of Kings (aka the current Book). Maybe Eaves is asking us to call on those kinds of memories to remember what the world was like before magiq was edited out so that we remember what the affinities do?
Or…what if it’s like what happened with Neithernor?
Hear me out - back during the Book of Briars fragments, we all spent a ton of time spitballing about what we thought the various Guild headquarters might be like, and when the Book was finally unlocked, we got that video with the actual things we’d been discussing.
What if, when we’re imagining what an Affinity might be and how it might be used, we’re actually just…remembering something true? Whether it’s from the Book of the Wild or some other place we can’t categorize, what are the chances that the things we’re thinking about and making in our heads might actually be real, somehow?
What if our best way to research and recall the affinities now is just to imagine them, and tell Eaves and the Sanctuary folks what we imagine?
I think that integrates both the memory and the imagination parts of the quote perfectly and honestly, it makes the most “magimystical sense” to me. So maybe we should revisit all of the affinities and try and understand what affinities are the best for communicating with Eaves and co., and then see where we go from there? Maybe once we figure out which affinity is best suited for sending messages through the guide then we’ll be better prepared to send that next message?
There’s a message missing in this thread.
After Sorrel’s last post someone with a name beginning with S wrote a message but I was starting to make dinner and didn’t get a chance to read it.
Now it’s just gone?
EDIT: I swear I saw an updated message in the missing spot that said something along the lines of, “Can anyone see this?”, and that message is gone too.
I’m pretty sure it was @Strix ? If I remember right the question was “did anyone see what I wrote earlier? About Astral Thinking” or something
Yeah, both messages poofed… Whatever the first one was, and the later one asking about it.
It’s all cleared up! Just was off topic and got sorted elsewhere.
Sorry for my silliness, I’m jumpy as a hare hehehe
Oh that’s okay then… Yeah I definitely get you, with the actual disappearing stuff and then not real disappearing… It’s hard not to be jumpy haha!!
If nothing else at least we now know for sure that the guide is helping us and not hurting us in regards to the veil.
If the affinities are loopholes they could be incredible assets, not just in taking down the wall but hopefully destroying it for good. If it is the silver behind this, I certainly get a twist of satisfaction thinking it would be the very magiq they so dispise that undid their veil.
Here are a few affinities from each guild that sound particularly helpful for our needs. It may be interesting to try some of these out in the future, especially if our theory is proven correct by Eaves:
Communion Arts (Gossmere)
Second Mind (Thornmouth)
Undo, Magimystics (Flinterforge) (This one I find particularly promising)
Faulton Fray’s Decay (Balimora)
Languidimensional Touch (Weatherwatch) (Also promising)
Grim’s Convergance (Ebenguard) (Not quite sure this one’s been explored all that much, but certainly sounds interesting.)
I guess I don’t fully ‘get’ the goal to poking these affinities right now. Okay, the affinities are actually useful (we’ve come so far without almost actually ever talking about them, I find it pleasing now, at the end, we’re discussing one of the first things we ever saw of magiq.)
But there’s still only so much magiq, right? We’re still in this phase yes?
How is doing memory searches or whatever Eaves called it different from magiq?
I’d caution against opening a whole can of worms just because Eaves’ asked us a question. Maybe we just reply to that one question that we haven’t done any memory work on the affinities, and aren’t sure it’s safe to do now and see what he thinks.
Heck, is this even Eaves? He mentions people are being controlled. He already asked us to blow up half our magiqal reserves to cast a spell called the Cataclysm which did what exactly? Shine a light on a door, that if he was in cohoots with the forces against us already knew where it was?
Maybe he’s just tempting us into throwing away what power we have left. I’d seriously suggest caution. Jumping on whatever he dangles in front of us might not be the best idea right now.
But as always (and frequently) I could be wrong.
I think that the best option we have, right now, is the sanctuary. These people have given us no reason to be skeptical, and have given us the gift of knowing exactly what’s happening to us and where there are weakness’s. To me, that doesn’t seem like the work of someone who doesn’t have our best interests in mind. While I always say “Be wary of the man behind the curtain” this is EAVES we’re talking about. He’s one of us, he’s family, and I personally have every faith in him.
We certainly shouldn’t go blowing up our magiq reserves on affinities, though we don’t even know how much magiq they take versus the kind of wrought magiq it took to illuminate the door. That may be a good question to explore going forward. If they take energy, Eaves is already expending it by ensuring that our lines of communication stay open, so let’s make sure that magiq isn’t spent in vain.
I definitely think we should be trying to send another forum message to Eaves…as far as we know, that isn’t using magiq, right? But in the meantime, I don’t think it hurts to have some affinities prepped for exploration…
Edit: Whoops…and meant to add that in this message we might ask for more details on what we’re meant to do with the affinities and how that loopholes the veil
I trust Eaves in full control of his own faculties as much as anyone. Yes.
Not to dwell on a dark subject but lets remember our foes excel at using people we trust to try to get at us. When Marty and AlisonB corroborate what Eaves says that will go a long way to assuaging my concerns.
I am all for discussing the affinities and theorizing. Lets just be careful until we know if using then will drain what little we have.
So, what’s the plan? Are we sending Eaves a run down of what’s happened? I’m gonna be away from the forums for the most part until at least Monday afternoon my time, so maybe someone else can send something to test this further?
I think we should try and figure out what to send and who to send it… Mine didn’t work last time (Perhaps because it was a double message, but also possibly because I’m new) so I think it’d be a good idea for someone who was also on the forum at the same time as Eaves did it, preferably someone who’d talked to him before?
I think we need to basically report what’s happened like Nimueh said, and ask for more details like Tinker said, right?
You guys… I’m sure it’s unconnected and nothing at all to do with thiis, but… A person in one of my FB groups just posted that she and her daughter have started randomly hearing knocking at doors inside their home when no one’s about.